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While much of the feedback Sarah and I received on our “Islamofascism” crib sheet was poorly articulated vitriol, I wanted to share an email exchange I had this week with CP.org reader Scott Malensek. Scott is a featured writer at New Media Journal Online and contributor to Flopping Aces. Read our conversation on the helpfulness of terms like “Islamofascism” and the supposed homogeneity of contemporary terrorists after the jump.

 

Annika,

I agree the term Islamofacist can be offensive, and a better description is needed, but "anti-Western Salafist jihadism" is just a completely useless idea.  It's so useless it's silly.  How about some other options?  I mean, you made a great case in the 1400 word article, but only suggested 4 words in a useless combination.



Complaining is fine and all, but "anti-Western Salafist jihadism" is your solution? Can you really see Brian Williams and Tim Russert asking all the candidates tonight (one at a time) about, "How will you address the threat of anti-Western Salafist jihadism?" I know you didn't create the phrase, but it's the only thing you suggested as an alternative to the Islamofascism.  The link to the blog discussion didn't work for me-- I couldn't see the other ways to describe the "facists who subscribe to a false version of Islam" (9 words, but just as useful as your 4).

Seriously, I'm very interested in how you propose to describe the threat of terrorists who kill in the misguided perception of Islam without mentioning Islam.

"pseudo-Islamic Death Cult followers"

"semi-Islamic Holy Warriors"

...how about

“drugged up suicide bombers who follow some Islam, but not all and distort the rest"?

Come on Annika, lacking a viable solution, no matter how well written your argument was against "Islamofacism," that ugly term--that 'something'--will always beat out your 'nothing' suggestion. I'm eagerly hoping that you can suggest other, better, less offensive choices.  When you do, I'll argue their validity against those who use the Islamofacism term, but until then...your article is useless.

Sincerely,
Scott Malensek

 

 

Hi Scott,

I appreciate your thoughtful comments. As far as suggesting a new term to replace "Islamofascism," I ardently believe there should be no such term. As we discussed in the piece, lumping together disparate groups and labeling them anything beyond "terrorists" is reductive--we gain nothing by opting for an easy label instead of thoughtful, group-specific discussions of national security.

To use your example, I'd prefer Brian Williams and Tim Russert to ask "How will you address the threat of Hezbollah?" and "How will you address the threat of the Iranian government?"--both questions that seek group-specific responses rather than relying on a harmful misnomer.

Replacing "Islamofascism" with another blanket term would be a capitulation to the right's divisive agenda: a dangerously oversimplified "us versus them" foreign policy.

Best,
Annika

 

 

Annika,

Thanks for the reply--an extremely well-presented reply.  I too prefer the threat-specific commentary, but I don't think the majority of Americans are familiar enough with all the threats to understand the dramatic differences.

For example, the America's approach to dealing with Lebanese Hezzbollah vs. Saudi Hezzbollah or Palestinian Islamic Jihad vs. Egyptian Islamic Jihad—all four are very unique. All four do have shared objectives, similarities, tactics, and even shared support bases. In fact, the more we look at Al Queda's leadership, its organizational structure, its network of allied groups, affiliated groups, and common financial as well as logistical networks, then look at the themes and objectives that are common to all five organizations mentioned so far...doesn't it seem that the groups are as unique as the individual faces in the same demographic, the same audience, the same threat, and the same "army"?

You and I may understand the traits that make each of these groups their own, but most people do not, will not, and cannot.  Most people see only the commonalities, and in fact, it is the very commonalities that the so-called war on terror is confronting.

I understand the desire to prevent and/or limit offending Muslims, but the fact of the matter is that Al Queda, the allied and affiliated groups that support the Al Queda leadership councils, and the networks that support them are using a distorted form of Islam as the core unifier to their suicidal death cults.  That pseudo-Muslim theme as well as the others needs to be addressed--otherwise, we might as well just start lumping individual groups into the name Al Queda.  As Germany, Italy and Bulgaria were to the Axis so too are Egyptian Islamic Jihad, JI, and the Taliban all under the umbrella of "Al Queda"--"the base.”

Perhaps where you see individual faces, you're discarding and casting aside the commonalities, and that's limiting your ability to see a common threat as opposed to individual threats?

Anyway, thank you again for your response.  It's sincerely appreciated and admired.

Best,
Scott

 

 

So what do you think? Is Scott right that in attacking “Islamofascism” progressives are “limiting [our] ability to see a common threat”?


Reader Comments
  
Your second response...
By Superduperficial Nov 5th 2007 at 5:18 pm EST
...was a good one but I think his response makes a crucial point.

There *are* commonalities here. Hezbollah, the Islamic Brotherhood, Al-Qaeda, Wahhabism... there are stark differences, certainly, differences that they'd gladly kill one another over. But there are still serious commonalities that have to be addressed somehow.

Many of those commonalities are at the level of principle -- there are fundamental principles we hold that are anathema to all the organizations named above.

It's important to talk strategy beyond this nebulous "general" level of 'Islamofascism' -- and that's why I loved your second reply -- but any leader of the American people will have to talk principles, too.
Re: Your second response...
By Thomas Coen Nov 5th 2007 at 5:30 pm EST
Yes, there are some commonalities among Islamic terrorist groups, but using generic terms like Islamofascist that homogenize distinct terrorist groups and invoke WWII era tyrants that have nothing to do with Islamic terrorism does a service to no one. We can't begin to create proper policy to combat terrorism if we use language that improperly reflects who we're fighting.
Re: Your second response...
By Superduperficial Nov 5th 2007 at 5:35 pm EST
But that's my precisely my point -- as a nation, there need to be discussions over both policy and principles.

I'd say "Islamofascism" fails in a discussion of policy.

But it works beautifully in a discussion of principle.

It illuminates exactly the principle we're fighting against -- the totalitarian temptation to control every facet of people's lives, in accordance with some silly sky-god talk.

Similarly, Andrew Sullivan's coining of the term "Christianist" has been very useful in the American political debate.
Re: Your second response...
By Thomas Coen Nov 5th 2007 at 8:42 pm EST
Though I still completely disagree that the term Islamofascism works in a discussion of principle. There are terrorist groups that target the U.S. and U.S. interests that aren't Islamic and aren't fascist. Using a term that not only misrepresents those who we are fighting against but can also be seen as a derogatory term against Muslims in general is unproductive for the success of both U.S. hard and soft power.
Re: Your second response...
By Superduperficial Nov 5th 2007 at 8:46 pm EST
Who said anything about terrorism? What we're talking about here is far broader than terrorism.

I'm opposed in principle to anyone who falls under the umbrella definition of "Islamofascist", or "fascism with an Islamic face", whether they commit acts of terrorism or not.

On the grounds of principle, our beef as a nation isn't just with terrorists, it's with ANYONE who doesn't respect secular liberal principles.

As a policy question, of course, you have to be more pragmatic. It's when you're discussing policy that the term has no place.

As to the term being derogatory against Muslims in general, is it derogatory against Christians in general when I denounce "Christianists" or "Christofascists" or "Christian fundamentalists"? Because I'm perfectly fine with using any of those terms as well.
Re: Your second response...
By Thomas Coen Nov 6th 2007 at 9:55 am EST
My argument is along the same line as Annika's and Sarah's from their crib sheet. Let me reiterate their five main points:

1. Islamofascism misrepresents modern terrorism and Islam

2. Islamofascism oversimplifies the challenge

3. Islamofascism poisons meaningful discourse

4. Islamofascism hurts our national security interests

5. Islamofascism can be replaced

Finally, since you say that "our beef as a nation isn't just with terrorists, it's with ANYONE who doesn't respect secular liberal principles," I assume our (whoever that is, since I don't know how you can speak for an entire country) is also opposed to school prayer, teaching intelligent design in science class, limiting a women's choice on abortion, and preventing funding of stem cell research. Wait, actually, our current government supports all those policies which would be anathema to the secular liberal principles you speak about.

The point is that people disagree about the role of religion in government. Just as I disagree with many Bush Administration policies that I feel violate the separation of Church and state. Other countries have their own mix from Turkey to Belgium to India. Saying that your stance is the stance that everyone in the world should follow and purporting to speak for everyone in this country is not only Western-centric but also shortsighted. There is an incredible diversity of democracies who each craft a way to run their society.

If we can't understand and respect our differences, then undermining the radical and violent agenda of terrorists will be next to impossible.
Re: Your second response...
By Thomas Coen Nov 6th 2007 at 10:59 am EST
Also, check out what the Afghan Ambassador to the U.S. thinks of the term Islamofascism: Link
Re: Your second response...
By Superduperficial Nov 6th 2007 at 7:44 pm EST
If don't respect the 'mix' our current government advocates in America, why in the hell would I respect the 'mix' some other majority will opposes in another country?
  
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