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Thanks
By steve Oct 16th 2005 at 3:36 am EDT
for the great article.
Re: Thanks
By uncwjason Oct 20th 2005 at 1:50 pm EDT
Great article, just one correction.

NC's capital is Raleigh, not Charlotte!
  
Georgia
By jr Oct 17th 2005 at 1:01 pm EDT
I hate to say it, but I don't think the piece really establishes any cause for hope in Georgia.

Last year, every one of the resources mentioned in the article aside from steve's blog was in place, and yet the Democratic ticket was crushed statewide (I know because I was working on staff for one of those races). Most of them were around when we lost the Governor's mansion, and went from two Democratic senators in 2001 to two Republican senators (a first in GA history) today.

Plus, except for the urban-rural alliance, every one of the cited groups or resources is based in Dekalb or Fulton counties--places we win overwhelmingly already. I don't really see the potential for statewide activism from any of these groups. That's crucial, as a Democrat can with the largest 10 cities in Georiga and still only clear about 40% (I know, because that's exactly what we did last year).

MUCH more is needed in Georgia to return it to its former glory. The piece provides a good starting place, but I don't think it gives much cause for optimism.
Re: Georgia
By meganjbrock Oct 17th 2005 at 3:03 pm EDT
The point of this piece was to show that the infrastructure is in place to jumpstart the progressive movement in the South.
Clearly, there's a lot to be done, since the South has been pretty much solidly red for the past few elections, but a lot of great groups exist to help progressives start the movement. We are not starting from scratch, despite what many may think.
I think a lot of the efforts put forth by these groups are ignored for the sake of a greater electoral goal. Obviously, it would be wonderful to see a reinvigorated progressive electorate in the South, but before this happens it's necessary to get the information and the activism out to the people. In order to do that, it's necessary to work with these groups and establish solid state-wide activism campaigns.
I was also dismayed (but not surprised) to see that the progressive groups are, for the most part, centered around the very liberal areas of the state. I think, though, that it is entirely possible to work with these groups and use their resources and connections to establish a statewide network that would truly spread the message to areas that aren't currently targeted by progressive groups.
In order to truly move forward with the progressive movement in the South, we need to put more effort into looking around and looking forward and less into looking at the disappointing results of past elections.
The South is an area with tons of potential, and, with work, a truly progressive South is a very attainable goal.
Re: Georgia
By jr Oct 17th 2005 at 4:22 pm EDT
Right, and I don't mention past elections (like those less than a year ago) to dwell on our failures or naysay future opportunities. And I really do appreciate the piece and the analysis. But, from on-the-ground experience, I don't think the infrastructure necessary for a statewide effort is what Georgia has to work with. I think they have the kernels of an infrastructure. And a lot of that is to be expected in a state where the Democratic establishment has been in steady decline for over a decade.

What worries me about the Atlanta-centrism of the groups mentioned is not just that they will focus on preaching to the choir, but that they will in fact be the base upon which our hopes for Georgia are built--meaning these groups will be the focus of our efforts, rather than a bost to our efforts. I think they're positive harbinger of future progressive development, and they're great for training and promoting progressive leadership in Georgia, but I don't know that there's a lot of "there" there, in terms of using them as the basis for any statewide movement. There's just not the strength in terms of manpower or distributive networks that we need to be looking for, nor is there the experience and networking in North and South Georiga that we would need.

My theory, for what it's worth:
Georiga needs a populist leader to establish a self-sustaining statewide organization capable of providing that infrastructure, or it needs a new organizational paradigm for progressives. The real problem I forsee is that most Progressive populists in Georgia that have any stature are also in the Atlanta area. The downside of continually focusing our electoral strategy on turnout is that we've neglected to train new leaders for progressives outside the Metro area.

It's easy to underestimate what a statewide effort in Georgia would entail, but since we're talking about the largest state east of the Mississippi River, with a population of 8.8 million, we have to consider the demographic break as well as geographic distance. There are cities at all corners of the state that will trend Democratic (Valdosta, Columbus, Rome, Macon, Albany, Savannah, Augusta, Athens, Atlanta of course) that have to be reached. Most of the city of Atlanta and Decatur are left-leaning. But almost every suburb of Atlanta is conservative. Very conservative. Like "Home of Newt Gingrich and Bob Barr" conservative. In rural areas, you've got hundreds of cities and towns that could support the movement if the movement could get to them. Places like Fitzgerald, Tifton, Douglas and Cartersville could probably show real gains, but getting resources to these places, including people that know how ot organize effectively, is damn near impossible without a few hundred thousand dollars to play around with.

If we want a statewide infrastructure in Georgia, we need a Jimmy Carter to create a spontaneous network, or else we need a hell of a lot of outside resources, or else we need Atlanta-area progressives to invest directly in rural areas (and that, frankly, ain't gonna happen, since the groups that can effectively raise money will tend to want to spend it in Atlanta, and the ones that want to spend it in the rural areas are unable to compete for cash--hell, even the Urban Rural Summit does its press conferences in Woodruff Park! Atlanta is just more accessible than the rest of the state--a lesson Dr. King learned the hard way in Albany.)
  
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By chburks Oct 17th 2005 at 7:45 pm EDT
Thanks for the good post. I'm sure it took some time to put all that together.

The only thing I want to add is that you neglected to include Arkansas. I'm sure it might have been harder to find progressive sites because it is a smaller state, but it is worth the effort and it is a very southern state (It fits in JS Reed's cultural, economic, geographic, and political South)

In fact Arkansas is arguably the most progressive state in the south. I can go into it more here, but I'd rather by email.

chburks@davidson.edu
  
Selective Indeed
By jadbrosto Apr 21st 2006 at 4:01 pm EDT
Why is it that you failed to mention Arkansas and Florida on your list of progressive Southern states? Link
  
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