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Feminism and Hip Hop (Inspired by a reading from my WS class)
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As we all know, I am a feminist. But, what does this mean? At its core, feminism is about the advancement of women toward gender equality. But, what is equality? And, how do we get there? Who gets to do the defining? I have found much diversity within feminism and with women who do not identify as "feminist" but certainly have feminist views toward women and gender. When discussing hip hop with many self-identifying feminists, the same discussion usually entails. That debate being that it objectifies woman, promotes violence/hatred against women, and is "the enemy". As for the woman involed in hip hop (as artists, background singers/dancers, or girlfriends/wives/sisters/mothers of male artists), a false consciousness is often ascribed to them. Joan Morgan's "Fly-Girls, Bitches, Hoes: Notes of a Hip-Hop Feminist" provides an interesting look at the hip hop scene that hits on the issues of race that many feminist discussions I have had overlooked.

Hip hop cannot be written off as "the enemy"--neither can its artists. Morgan writes that hip hop has provided a voice to blacks that have long been pushed down politically, economically, and socially. Hip hop provides a venue for black men who face heavy discrimination. Many feminists have successfully identified the link between racism and sexism--both are bad and both are caused by the (white) man. While I was in a feminist group, I heard about 10 white woman screaming, "Down with whitey?". But, Morgan reveals that it isn't always "whitey" bring blacks down and it isn't always "the man" bringing women down. Morgan discusses this when a family friend was murdered--"Her murderers were not 'skinheads', 'the man' or 'the racist power structure'". This is not to say that we "blame the victim" or that real racism and sexism don't occur, they do. But, it is to say that we need to look at issues in a more complex manner. This does not mean "ascribe false consciousness" to everyone that disagrees you. We need to look into our own communities (whatever that means) of woman, gays, lesbians, blacks, whites and first realize that our communities are not utopias. Not every black will understand each other and not every woman will understand each other. But rather than running from or outright rejecting those who come against us (especially in our own communities), Morgan urges that we seek to find understanding and love. Instead of rejecting black men as "the patriarchy" or embracing everything they do as "anti-whitey", Morgan looks for a deeper understanding. She asks the raw and honest question, "My decision to expose myself to the sexism of Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Snoop Doggy Dog, or the Notorious B.I.G. is really my please to my brothers to tell me who they are. I need to know why they are so angry at me. Why is disrespecting me one of the few things that will make them feel like men? What are they going through on the daily that's got then acting so fucked up?" Morgan goes on to complicate the issue even more by suggesting that what feminist critics have called "machismo" in hip hop isn't so much "machismo" as "straight-up depression masquerading as machismo". Again, gender is not enough. Class, race, etc come into play. It's not simply that "hip hop men hate women and are oppressing them". Morgan reveals its partially about the pain that black men face and that this pain is only allowed to be expressed through song.

She urges woman to continue loving black men--but from a safe distance. This distance isn't for the "ivory towers of academia" however. This distance is not based on ignoring "the ways we are complicit in our own oppression" or value being right over winning. The issue isn't about making sure everyone calls themselves a feminist--it is about concrete changes in advancement (e.g. equal pay, abortion rights, sexual harassment laws… although imperfect).

Michelle Stover (MS)

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Uh..
By Superduperficial Mar 18th 2006 at 7:05 pm EST
Morgan writes that hip hop has provided a voice to blacks that have long been pushed down politically, economically, and socially.



For what it's worth, I don't think you have any evidence that hip-hop is essentially 'black'. In fact, the majority of hip-hop's devotees are non-black.
that depends on how you look at it
By theotherjoey Mar 23rd 2006 at 7:02 pm EST
Most rappers and producers are black, even if their audiences are white.
  
Also...
By Superduperficial Mar 19th 2006 at 1:46 pm EST
...Maybe it's just me, but I see a lot of ways your post could be viewed as racist and sexist. You paint with obscenely broad-brush strokes, saying just mind-boggling things like:


she urges woman to continue loving black men--but from a safe distance.



That could be right out of some ladies' ettiquette brochure from the 1930s.

If you view everything in terms of race, gender, and class - what does that make you?

More often than not, it'll make you racist, classist, and sexist.


Many feminists have successfully identified the link between racism and sexism--both are bad and both are caused by the (white) man. While I was in a feminist group, I heard about 10 white woman screaming, "Down with whitey?". But, Morgan reveals that it isn't always "whitey" bring blacks down and it isn't always "the man" bringing women down.



Gee, not always? How generous of you!

Men and women and blacks and whites (and the rich and the poor) are not, in the modern world, monolithic 'classes' with class interests to be defended.
Re: Also...
By FEM Mar 21st 2006 at 1:02 am EST
Morgan speaks from her reality as a black woman. She is speaking about hip hop in the black community, this is the context of her statement.

I see race, gender, and class as always being important-- they are. It is racist, classist, and sexist to assume that there is not systematic opression of women, people of color, and working class people. Noting the reality caused by this opressions is certaintly not *causing* the opression. Pretending it doesn't exist on the other hand... you know where that goes.

This is not to say that every woman, person of color, and working class person is in the same situation. As you bring up, it would be inappropriate to apply Morgan's piece to every single black woman. However, there tend to be similarities which (unfortunately) tend to be based on the big -isms.
Re: Also...
By FEM Mar 21st 2006 at 1:08 am EST
(forgot to sign name)
-Michelle Stover (MS)
Re: Also...
By Superduperficial Mar 22nd 2006 at 1:49 am EST
Morgan speaks from her reality as a black woman.



We're all individuals with our own situation, and we all inhabit a single reality. Frankly, I don't give a damn what the color of who wrote the article was - it's not relevant, nor should it ever be.


It is racist, classist, and sexist to assume that there is not systematic opression of women, people of color, and working class people.



So by your definitions, the majority of Americans are racist, classist, and sexist.

Wow, way to completely remove the power from your own terms!
Re: Also...
By theotherjoey Mar 23rd 2006 at 7:05 pm EST
Again, I would argue that nearly everyone is racist, classist, and sexist.
Re: Also...
By FEM Mar 27th 2006 at 10:29 am EST
Ding ding, we have a winner.
  
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