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Income inequality is skyrocketing and we need to fix it, but the progressive orthodoxy won't help.
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Yes, I agree, income inequality has indeed reached some gross proportions.

But at the same time, there are far better policy options than the tried-and-true axioms that you hear repeated almost endlessly on these blogs - fair trade, universal health care, college affordability.

(Originally, I pointed to Kwhite's latest post as an example of "pushing this orthodoxy", a reading which Kwhite disputes. Fair enough.)

I'll attempt to address the main points of each, and at the same time offer up some serious counter-solutions of my own.

So-called "fair trade", as a full system rather than an ad-hoc basis whereby a few farmers benefit when college kids want to feel good about themselves, too often ends up being simply far less trade, exacerbating and extending third world poverty. Low wages are not, in and of themselves, a form of exploitation.

As for universal health care - noble goal, but that depends completely how it's done. Specifically, if people have no incentive not to consume health care based on whether they really need it or not (i.e. preventative or not), it becomes financially unsustainable very quickly. Systems like France's benefit from elective procedures simply not being as popular over there -- and at the same time, I'd hardly call their system "sustainable".

A better approach is to aim for universal health insurance coverage - using market-based mechanisms to improve access while maintaining the system's efficiency.

Lastly, we have got to rein in consumer financing somehow. Middle-class America is getting itself into debt beyond all reason, with the savings rate actually going negative. People are just buying an unbelievable amount of crap they don't need these days -- everything from IPods to leased SUVs -- and not saving like they should.

That's one of the biggest stories I haven't seen the progressive community touch very much - the middle-class' shift away from personal fiscal responsibility over the past two decades or so.

The stock market rising should be benefiting the middle class. The reasons it isn't as much are largely due to people making stupid choices.

The return of the average investor is only comparable to a T-bill, significantly less than you'd get from just taking some safe mutual funds.

Why is that?

Because people suck at picking stocks. 98% of the people who pick their own stocks shouldn't be.

It's really no different than playing poker, but we stigmatize gambling in this country and then turn around and pretend that everyone picking stocks for themselves is being "responsible".

Most people who claim to know what they're doing in the stock market are little more than gamblers, and their returns, honestly accounted for, reflect that. We need to be getting more people into mutual funds.

As for college affordability: If we're really serious about increasing class mobility, why are we not talking about expanding the EITC and scholarships targeted at especially useful majors for low-income kids?

I'm all for making college more affordable, assuming it's truly an investment in kids from underprivileged backgrounds and their future. Let the kids from the ranks of the idle rich take the gender studies major or become the world's leading expert on Chaucer, I want Mr. First-In-My-Family-To-Go-To-College to outdo and outclass them, focusing on hard math and science, high-demand language skills, etcetera.

The proof is in the pudding. The group at the top of America's socio-economic ladder isn't whites -- it's Asian Americans, who have a higher average household income and lower out-of-wedlock birthrates. Disproportionately, Asian American parents tend to steer their kids towards "non-fluff" majors. This occasionally results in some very unhappy kids, but it works. Jewish Americans have (at least historically) done the same. For many of us, the whole "doctor or a lawyer" thing was just a running gag at synagogue, but enough parents genuinely think that way that it shifts the averages.

We should also seriously be incentivize trade schools. The simple fact is, a lot of people go to college not because it's best for them, but because we lionize it in our culture and pretend it's the gateway ticket to All Good Things.

The reality is somewhat different - in a global economy, a skilled tradesman may end up doing better financially, not to mention the benefits of being good with your hands and the stability of never having to worry about being outsourced.

To give you an example: I know a guy who's really, really bright. He aspired to a middle class standard of living, but rather than simply going with the herd, he cracked out a calculator and started to punch numbers.

At the end of the day, he took the path which makes the most financial sense -- he graduated early with his GED and started working at the post office at age 17.

The post office is not a hard job, you meet interesting people from time to time, and the benefits (as from most government jobs) are quite competitive. It's almost impossible to be fired and there's a fairly set schedule for when you get promoted.

Whenever anyone from some mid-rank college with a liberal arts degree questions his lack of a degree, he simply whips out the calculator and shows them how he'll almost certainly end up better off financially than they will.

It happens enough that he knows the numbers for their average salaries after graduation (and their average debt load) by heart -- and the look on their face when they realize they could have done better by working at the post office than going to college is priceless.

He has no debt, guaranteed job stability and nearly-guaranteed promotions, great benefits, and he's literally five years ahead in his career and earnings. More like six years ahead if you count the fact that a plurality of American college students take five years to graduate.

Given the lifestyle of a postman, he even has more time to pursue his intellectual passions than the average college student.

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A few notes
By Keith Jan 31st 2007 at 2:29 pm EST
SuperD you seem to be in a race to push the limits on straw man argument-creation and misrepresention.

Fortunately, your post does hold valuable information people should read--and actually information I link to in my post. (Link

These policies I am "pushing" appear in a parenthetical aside--and would take some serious delusions to be considered points knock down.

Furthermore wherever you get the idea that I think these are the answers exclusively, are beyond my comprehension.

I, myself, even point out to the difficulties of these solutions where referring to fair trade as "ever elusive."

But such extreme nuance is obviously not your stock in trade.

But the heart of your blog, beyond the smoke and mirrors you use for whatever unknown reason, bring up serious points--points that don't need dressing up.

And frankly are all ones I would like to know more about.

I hope your future posts don't require such needless back-biting in the future.

Keith "Pushing the Progressive Orthodoxy" White
Re: A few notes
By Superduperficial Jan 31st 2007 at 2:47 pm EST

These policies I am "pushing" appear in a parenthetical aside--and would take some serious delusions to be considered points knock down.



I understand you may not consider them to be the thrust of your post, but they were the part that's interesting to me.

If you're pointing out a problem, it behooves you to tell us what you think we should do about it -- and you did. And so, I responded.

The fact that you stuck it in a paranthetical isn't really relevant -- does that mean you're not in favor of college affordability, universal healthcare, and fair trade? If you are, then they're fair points for me to respond to.



Furthermore wherever you get the idea that I think these are the answers exclusively, are beyond my comprehension.



I don't think I claimed they were your 'only' answers, but they're what you and most progressives have chosen to emphasize.

There are tons of posts here about college affordability, but I'm the only one talking about targetting it to people doing useful things, or pointing out that perhaps too many people are going to liberal arts universities given how useful that degree actually is.

There are tons of posts here about living and minimum wages, but almost nobody talks about the EITC.

As for fair trade, the term "ever elusive" is kind of vague -- I read it as frustration that school administrations, city governments, etc. haven't been embracing it as quickly as you'd like.



I hope your future posts don't require such needless back-biting in the future.



How is it back-biting? I went based on what I thought you meant.

There were no ad hominem attacks of any sort.

To the extent that you feel I'm pulling a straw man, I feel that you were unclear in your original post.

But now that you've clarified what you meant, I'll edit my post accordingly.
Re: A few notes
By Superduperficial Jan 31st 2007 at 3:12 pm EST
Oh, and sorry about getting your gender wrong. ;)
  
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