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Whenever I see him on TV, I grow more suspicious that he is; after Saddam's fall, he extolled the Iraqi middle class whom he interviewed; he claimed they stated they saw Sadaam's fall as the beginning of 'freedom' in Iraq. Does he take at face value that they really thought so clearly in black & white terms? Does he truly think he'd get a truthful answer--as an American journalist--to questions about Saddam from Iraqis being interviewed by an American journalist. Does he speak Arabic? Can he read body language of member of a culture he he knows little about? If he were a DEA agent taking a survey on college students' use of drugs, does he really think his results would be accurate? It astounds me that his books are best sellers.
Early March, 2003, Friedman writes a column about the incipient war with Iraq. In it, he writes "Anyone who thinks President Bush is doing this for political reasons is nuts," and then writes that "taking out Saddam and rebuiding Iraq" had been the goal of the Administration since it took office. Oh, and he also writes that Iraq is "the most dangerous Arab state."
Is he a moron? Let me check my handy Magic 8-Ball here...
...aw, shucks. "Signs point to 'YES'."
He may have some worthwhile contributions to make to the national discourse, but on foreign affairs, and especially on Iraq, he's about as useful as a one-legged man in the Tour de France.
Ever since Times Select came along I haven't been reading Friedman, but before then I always thought of him as one of the few sane voices on the NYT op-ed page.
You say, "[Friedman] writes, 'Anyone who thinks President Bush is doing this for political reasons is nuts,'" and then writes that 'taking out Saddam and rebuiding Iraq' had been the goal of the Administration since it took office. Oh, and he also writes that Iraq is "the most dangerous Arab state.'"
I see nothing objectionable here. Of course Bush didn't invade Iraq for political reasons. How exactly has he gained politically by the Iraq war? You pass gluttonous new entitlements (like the Medicare prescription drug benefit) for political reasons, approve pork-barrel projects for political reasons, support the FMA for political reasons; you don't begin a risky, uncertain, and open-ended war for political reasons.
It's pretty clear that taking out Saddam and rebuiding Iraq had been a goal of Bush II since day one. See Clarke, Richard, for starters. Hell, this is a very, very common criticism of Bush & Co. from you libs.
In 2003, Iraq was the most dangerous Arab state, hands down. What state was more dangerous at that time?
It depends what you mean by dangerous.. dangerous to whom? Its own people? Others? Us?
I'd be willing to talk bring up Saudi Arabia for the purpose of debate. They certainly are dangerous to our economic well-being. Not to mention exercise a pretty nasty way of governing their own people (esp. women). See: Economist survey.
I'm usually on point with Friedman, especialyl when he talks about innovation and business in America. I'm not familiar with a lot of his comments on Iraq.
He definitely didnt invade iraq for political gain. He did it for much more dangerous reasons. It's green and he and his buddies have a lot of it. Think about it. He may not directly profit from what is going on in Iraq, but his buddies sure are. The politics is just a side job for Bush Co. It certainly makes accessing the money a lot easier!
1.) He ran as a "wartime President." He embraces the image. And even if we're just talking about the neoconservative strategy for forced democratization, we're talking "political purposes" i.e. non-essential for defense.
2.) Iraq was contained. Anybody tells you otherwise is talking out of their ass. Saddam was surrounded by a force of around 300,000 US forces plus some pretty irate Saudis. He wasn't going anywhere.
3.) Syria, which has an active chemical weapons program and a working ballistic missile system, as well as direct ties to Islamist terrorism, was more dangerous than Iraq. See the Council on Foreign Relations page here. Link Contrast this with the piece on Iraq, which notes that Saddam's support for terrorist groups was mostly limited to secular groups. Link And if we included Persian states on this list Iran would top Iraq as well.
You can think he's 3 for 3. You're thinking wrong, but you can think that if you'd like.
He ran as a "wartime President." He embraces the image. And even if we're just talking about the neoconservative strategy for forced democratization, we're talking "political purposes" i.e. non-essential for defense.
I think you're misrepresenting Friedman on this. Neoconservative strategies for democratization would clearly fall under the category of 'ideological purposes' or 'national interest purposes' - it's clear that when we talk about Bush, or whoever, doing something for "political purposes", we mean domestically.
Domestically, Bush would have kept the wartime president vibe going just fine had he stuck with Afghanistan, which was, at least until troops were shifted away from it and into Iraq, surprisingly successful.
It's hard to make any compelling argument that Bush went into Iraq for domestic political gain. Hell, there's a better argument to be made for some of Clinton's bombings being for domestic gain than Bush's invasion.
I don't think it's a tough argument at all. The initial authorization for the invasion was timed to come to a vote immediately before the midterm elections, which Andy Card described in marketing terms. The run-up to the vote was critical for the Republican effort at the midterm, and without it the Senate would likely have not shifted back to the Republicans.
Murray Waas at the National Journal discussed how Rove used the war as a way to promote that image in advance of the 2004 campaign: Link
Only two months before Wilson went public with his allegations, the Iraq war was being viewed as one of the greatest achievements of Bush's presidency. Rove, whom Bush would later call the "architect" of his re-election campaign, was determined to exploit the war for the president's electoral success. On May 1, 2003, Bush made a dramatic landing on the flight deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln to announce to the nation the cessation of major combat operations in Iraq. Dressed in a military flight suit, the president emerged from a four-seat Navy S-3B Viking with the words "George W. Bush Commander-in-Chief" painted just below the cockpit window.
The New York Times later reported that White House aides "had choreographed every aspect of the event, even down to the members of the Lincoln crew arrayed in coordinated shirt colors over Mr. Bush's right shoulder and the 'Mission Accomplished' banner placed to perfectly capture the president and the celebratory two words in a single shot."
The Houston Chronicle noted back in 2003 that Rove had explicitly stated that military action would likely improve Republican midterm election results (while at the same time saying the invasion was not about politics). Link
Last year, Rove drew fire from Democrats for telling the Republican National Committee that the White House planned to use the war on terrorism to win the fall elections.
"We can go to the country on this issue, because they trust the Republican Party to do a better job of protecting and strengthening America's military might and thereby protecting America," Rove had said at an Austin meeting of the RNC.
Democratic Chairman Terry McAuliffe called Rove's remarks "shameful," but the strategy played out in ballot-box victories for the GOP. The Republican Party solidified its hold on the U.S. House and regained a slim Senate majority.
As the Republican Party pushed the war on terrorism as an issue, President Bush began pressing for Iraq to disarm. But the president made the decision to attack Iraq this week along with Britain after failing to win U.N. support for military action against Iraq.
U.S. forces this week began an attack on Iraq to drive Saddam out of power. President Bush has described Saddam as a threat to national security because he might arm terrorists like those who attacked New York City and Washington, D.C., on Sept. 11, 2001.
Polls clearly indicated that the Republican political advantages were greatest on Iraq and terrorism in 2002-2005. Focusing national politics on those issues was critical for the Republicans and the administration in the 2002 and 2004 elections. Link
Remember, Bush started out with marginal numbers, and was shaping up to be hammered on economic issues in '02 and '04 Link. 9/11 made foreign issues the top focus of the electorate, but everyone was behind Afghanistan--the President came out looking good, but the party he needed to advance his agenda (remember, the Senate was Democratic at the time) wasn't in a particularly favored position because of it. Every single Senate Democrat had supported the invasion of Afghanistan, and it looked like the situation there was stable enough to let voters put it aside during the midterms. Since both parties backed it strongly, it was impossible for the Republicans to gain any real separation on the issue from the Democrats. Iraq changed that dynamic, allowing the Republicans to claim dovishness on the part of Dems during the midterms, leading to the historic results.
But after the Republicans won in 2002, Bush was left with the dilemma of what to do next. He had wanted to topple Saddam since taking office (Paul O'Neill makes the case in his book), and now, by virtue of having had his party campaign on the issue only months before, he was handed the opportunity to take out Saddam and propel foreign policy to the top of the agenda again, only now for the 2004 elections.
Not to belabor Friedman's perceptions, but in Nov, 04 on Washington Week in Review, he discussed how good-hearted American Marines were during their time in Lebanon, then asked a reporter but from Iraq whether it was still the same situation. She responded how dedicated and upbeat the Marines were in Iraq; this is Nov. 04. Con. John Murtha came out with a scathing attack on the administration--Generals in the field told him a poll showed 40% of Iraqis would like to see American G.I.'s dead. Murtha was decorated Vietnam Vet (truly decorated) not only a Marine, but a Marine training Sergeant, and a career military man; he knows dozens of retired and active generals. His view on Iraq is quite different although Bush Administration discounts him. His comments came about a year later, but anyone who thinks an explosive political situation as the one in Iraq is not potentially open to radical change at any time is living in a pipedream. I visited the 'beautiful' city of Venice, until I decided to make my own side tour and found the slums of Venice where children were barefoot and apartment buildings had no windows or doors. A real journalist looks for the facts; is not given the facts. I'll try to link that Washington Week Transcript.
I've always really enjoyed Friedman's work, particularly some of his recent NYT columns. Here are some of my favorites...
No More Mr. Tough Guy
February 8, 2006
Cheney and his denial about the oil crisis
A Green Dream In Texas
Jan. 18, 2006
Energy guzzling is for defeatists. Real Americans - and real Texans - build green.
I couldnt link to them from my school's website, but I'm sure if you all are resourceful you can look them up on lexis-nexis yourself.. they're all really short articles around 500 words.
I feel like while Friedman may be off point on some issues, I see him as a moderate with some common sense. I see him as much better than what we currently have in terms of the media. I trust Friedman, but not to some ridiculous extent where his words are the be all to end all. Have you read The World is Flat? I reccommend it highly!
Can you give me a good place to look for criticisms of Friedman's work?
Please understand that I too am outraged by the media's apparent inability to not spit out talking points of the administration (which they were incapable of in 2003/2004 in particular). I just think there are wayyyy worse people to focus on besides Friedman. Take for example, Oh i duno, everyone at FOX. Friedman takes the progressive position on many, many issues.
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Is he a moron? Let me check my handy Magic 8-Ball here...
...aw, shucks. "Signs point to 'YES'."
He may have some worthwhile contributions to make to the national discourse, but on foreign affairs, and especially on Iraq, he's about as useful as a one-legged man in the Tour de France.
You say, "[Friedman] writes, 'Anyone who thinks President Bush is doing this for political reasons is nuts,'" and then writes that 'taking out Saddam and rebuiding Iraq' had been the goal of the Administration since it took office. Oh, and he also writes that Iraq is "the most dangerous Arab state.'"
I see nothing objectionable here. Of course Bush didn't invade Iraq for political reasons. How exactly has he gained politically by the Iraq war? You pass gluttonous new entitlements (like the Medicare prescription drug benefit) for political reasons, approve pork-barrel projects for political reasons, support the FMA for political reasons; you don't begin a risky, uncertain, and open-ended war for political reasons.
It's pretty clear that taking out Saddam and rebuiding Iraq had been a goal of Bush II since day one. See Clarke, Richard, for starters. Hell, this is a very, very common criticism of Bush & Co. from you libs.
In 2003, Iraq was the most dangerous Arab state, hands down. What state was more dangerous at that time?
I'm thinking he's 3 for 3 here.
I'd be willing to talk bring up Saudi Arabia for the purpose of debate. They certainly are dangerous to our economic well-being. Not to mention exercise a pretty nasty way of governing their own people (esp. women). See: Economist survey.
I'm usually on point with Friedman, especialyl when he talks about innovation and business in America. I'm not familiar with a lot of his comments on Iraq.
He definitely didnt invade iraq for political gain. He did it for much more dangerous reasons. It's green and he and his buddies have a lot of it. Think about it. He may not directly profit from what is going on in Iraq, but his buddies sure are. The politics is just a side job for Bush Co. It certainly makes accessing the money a lot easier!
2.) Iraq was contained. Anybody tells you otherwise is talking out of their ass. Saddam was surrounded by a force of around 300,000 US forces plus some pretty irate Saudis. He wasn't going anywhere.
3.) Syria, which has an active chemical weapons program and a working ballistic missile system, as well as direct ties to Islamist terrorism, was more dangerous than Iraq. See the Council on Foreign Relations page here. Link Contrast this with the piece on Iraq, which notes that Saddam's support for terrorist groups was mostly limited to secular groups. Link And if we included Persian states on this list Iran would top Iraq as well.
You can think he's 3 for 3. You're thinking wrong, but you can think that if you'd like.
I think you're misrepresenting Friedman on this. Neoconservative strategies for democratization would clearly fall under the category of 'ideological purposes' or 'national interest purposes' - it's clear that when we talk about Bush, or whoever, doing something for "political purposes", we mean domestically.
Domestically, Bush would have kept the wartime president vibe going just fine had he stuck with Afghanistan, which was, at least until troops were shifted away from it and into Iraq, surprisingly successful.
It's hard to make any compelling argument that Bush went into Iraq for domestic political gain. Hell, there's a better argument to be made for some of Clinton's bombings being for domestic gain than Bush's invasion.
Murray Waas at the National Journal discussed how Rove used the war as a way to promote that image in advance of the 2004 campaign: Link
The Houston Chronicle noted back in 2003 that Rove had explicitly stated that military action would likely improve Republican midterm election results (while at the same time saying the invasion was not about politics). Link
Polls clearly indicated that the Republican political advantages were greatest on Iraq and terrorism in 2002-2005. Focusing national politics on those issues was critical for the Republicans and the administration in the 2002 and 2004 elections. Link
Remember, Bush started out with marginal numbers, and was shaping up to be hammered on economic issues in '02 and '04 Link. 9/11 made foreign issues the top focus of the electorate, but everyone was behind Afghanistan--the President came out looking good, but the party he needed to advance his agenda (remember, the Senate was Democratic at the time) wasn't in a particularly favored position because of it. Every single Senate Democrat had supported the invasion of Afghanistan, and it looked like the situation there was stable enough to let voters put it aside during the midterms. Since both parties backed it strongly, it was impossible for the Republicans to gain any real separation on the issue from the Democrats. Iraq changed that dynamic, allowing the Republicans to claim dovishness on the part of Dems during the midterms, leading to the historic results.
But after the Republicans won in 2002, Bush was left with the dilemma of what to do next. He had wanted to topple Saddam since taking office (Paul O'Neill makes the case in his book), and now, by virtue of having had his party campaign on the issue only months before, he was handed the opportunity to take out Saddam and propel foreign policy to the top of the agenda again, only now for the 2004 elections.
link
I'll try that link again. Anyway, it's Nov. 12, 2004, Washington Week in Review
I've always really enjoyed Friedman's work, particularly some of his recent NYT columns. Here are some of my favorites...
No More Mr. Tough Guy
February 8, 2006
Cheney and his denial about the oil crisis
A Green Dream In Texas
Jan. 18, 2006
Energy guzzling is for defeatists. Real Americans - and real Texans - build green.
I couldnt link to them from my school's website, but I'm sure if you all are resourceful you can look them up on lexis-nexis yourself.. they're all really short articles around 500 words.
I feel like while Friedman may be off point on some issues, I see him as a moderate with some common sense. I see him as much better than what we currently have in terms of the media. I trust Friedman, but not to some ridiculous extent where his words are the be all to end all. Have you read The World is Flat? I reccommend it highly!
Can you give me a good place to look for criticisms of Friedman's work?
Please understand that I too am outraged by the media's apparent inability to not spit out talking points of the administration (which they were incapable of in 2003/2004 in particular). I just think there are wayyyy worse people to focus on besides Friedman. Take for example, Oh i duno, everyone at FOX. Friedman takes the progressive position on many, many issues.