This is a question for people to think about.
Take away religion and think about pure nature.
Can two species (human or animal) of the same sex procreate? No.

I live only blocks away from Rep. Kern's office, and I work in her district (#84). Yet, she obviously knows nothing about my life. She has mischaracterized gay people on every level and is speaking out of her own fear and misunderstanding, not out of compassion or care for the people of our state.

In response to the commenter who said to take religion out of the context and just talk about procreation - - I don't think you understand the general premise here. Gay people really aren't interested in somehow "taking over" the society. I love straight people and hope they keep having babies and making the world go round. BUT - I'm not straight. So, yes, I won't be creating babies. Guess what - I think the human race will survive without offspring from my relationship.

The idea that human relationships are ONLY about creating offspring is silly. Are you saying that straight couples should all create as many children as they can, ignoring contraceptive options? That is unrealistic.

The fact here is that Rep. Kern is not in a position where she should speak out on these issues, and she's obviously not educated enough to be making speeches in any official capacity on these issues.

If you really boil down her claims, she's saying that a tolerant, diverse society won't survive. That is a ridiculous claim.

I was personally outraged when I heard this speech. Thank you for putting into words what all of my friends and I have been feeling! All the love in Boulder, CO.!

Y'know, I hear blame and I hear "WOW" and I hear disgust with what this brave, forthright, prepared to speak her mind like an American is supposed to be able to, woman has said. What she has said is the absolute truth, and the real fascists are the ones who want her to shut up, would scream and bark at her for bravely speaking her mind.

She's absolutely right in what she's said. When 2% of this nations population can rule in our courts and ruin our television with their rhetoric, and FORCE the rest of the population to accept their abominable ideals and sexuality, there's a problem.

Now, she said it's the right of gays and lesbians to be gays and lesbians but, just like I wouldn't do it doggie style with my girl in public, and just like I don't go screaming about doing it doggie style with my girl even in the bedroom, I don't want to hear about it or see it from the gay and lesbian community.

The simple fact of the matter is you people are screaming over a subject you really have no right to scream over, but since you are allowed by law in the United States to post whatever comments you want, just as I am allowed to do and am doing, now, Mrs. Kern has the absolute right to say what she wants to say.

Because gays and lesbians are so fervent in their desire to see themselves as married couples in this nation, their lifestyle, their lack of morality, and their inability to see what they are doing is harmful to this nation and to my children, my family will suffer, and my ability to have rights as a married person are already in jeopardy.

Gays and lesbians, like married couples, should keep their fudge-packing and pole-smoking to themselves and stop doing everything they can to turn this nation, which is already in jeopardy because of them, on its head.

For those of you who believe that this sort of thinking is wrong-headed, and are surprised these sorts of thoughts are outdated, outmoded, and should be marked as hate speech, and illegal, consider what you're saying and why you're angry. As early as two decades ago, being gay and lesbian was considered, and rightly so, abominable behavior, by even non-Christians; the common man on the street and the common woman in her home thought about one man shoving his dick in another man's ass and would be ready to vomit, as I still am in this day and age.

Homosexuality is not a genetic marker or disease or disorder and is not passed from parents or grandparents to their children, it is a choice. Don't force your choices on me just because you want to be politically correct and believe that you are being "tolerant".

Blacks being given their freedom was right... women being given their freedom was right... except look at what both groups have done with that freedom since. Blacks kill each other on a daily basis over drugs and territory that doesn't belong to them, and women fight every single day to take children away from their fathers in a divorce and custody court system that favors women 92% of the time.

You good people, with your opinions, need to take a look at what you are doing to this nation on a daily basis because of your definition of "tolerance", and you need to understand that you are shaping the wholly negative future of this country, rather than just stumbling blindly along this path because it's someone else's idea of the "right thing to do".

Good day.

Hey Mike, I agree with you completely. Because procreation is all it's about, then we should forbid marriage between any two people of opposite sex over the age of 40. There also should be no sexual position practiced except penile-vaginal penetration--all other possible positions should be outlawed, and this should be enforced by random police checks in healthy heterosexual households. ('Ever gotten a blow job, Mike? I thought so.) There should be no sexual activity in marriage (because that's the only space in which sex can occur), except solely, absolutely for the purpose of procreation. And because marriage is sacred, government must do its part to take away all legal and civil benefits to marriage--we need to prove to the liberal left that marriage is about sanctity, not about special rights. Tax benefits must be rescinded; take away hospital visitation, social security benefits. We must prove to the world that marriage only is a sacred covenant with no need of civil privileges. 'Way to go, Mike. ADP

Representative Kern:

As a proud Oklahoma City resident for over fifteen years, I was stunned, angered and saddened to hear your discriminatory and wholly ignorant rant regarding the gay community - OUR community of fine Oklahomans. I could hardly believe my ears. I was especially disheartened by your negative and false comments about gay-straight alliances in our schools, organizations that help provide a safe environment in which gay, bisexual and lesbian students can learn and thrive.

Your hate speech heaps shame on the great state of Oklahoma. Oklahomans will not tolerate sexual prejudice against our fellow citizens. These people about whom you speak are our children, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, friends, church members, neighbors, and co-workers.

As a psychologist, I know the truth about lesbian, gay, and bisexual people. Being lesbian, bisexual or gay is not pathological. The LGBT community, however, suffers elevated rates of depression and risk of suicide attempts because of folks like you who bully, discriminate and harass.

I encourage you to educate yourself, examine your heart, and apologize immediately. I am an Oklahoma homeowner and a taxpayer, and I am listening.

Dr. Shelley Janiczek Woodson

Once again the voice of the youth speak the clarion call of truth and actual justice. Once again a young warrior speaks balance into existence. Thank you Mr. Mitchum for your intelligent reply to Sen. Kern's obvious trip into a fog bound land of racist, homophobic rhetoric! I will add that in ancient traditions a person demonstrates her intelligence and reasoning skills via their speech technique. In as much as Sen. Kern spoke to a relatively small crowd perhaps this is evidence of her small mindedness. Certainly she was not expecting to be called to the carpet by one of our brilliant and young warriors like Mr. Mitchum.

America has alleged to stand for truth, justice and order, yet has simultaneously done the mathematical opposite. Sen. Kern represents the actual foundation upon which America has based its domestic and foreign polices. That foundation has grown branches that include racism, homophobia, war, disease and hatred of the "cultural other". It has demonstrated this in its dealings with Africa, Asia, and the Arab-Muslim nations of the world. Sen. Kern in my opinion is part and parcel of this mindset. She is espousing ideals held from the beginning of this country and to be found now only spoken in small circles but certainly supported by current government policy.

Sen. Kern further upholds and alleged Judeao-Christian concept of a Deity that hates the "cultural other". To wit:

She claims homosexuality is a bigger threat than, "..terrorism or islam." ? That this woman considers Homosexuality, Terrorism and Islam as interchangeable is not surprising. Keep in mind among the first slave ships to arrive to the shores of North America was one run by Sir John Hawkins called the "Good Ship Jesus". Keep in mind that it was the Holy Roman Catholic church that deemed women as secondary and not worthy of the priesthood. Her praise of Judeo-Christian thought is consistent with that history and not the history of the true church. A church that represents the sanctity of humanity and the faults of our humanness. Her rant is indicative of a singular mindset that seeks a totalitarian reality run by the few, the proud and the racist!


To wit:

The good Senator further states further that, "No society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted more than, you know, a few decades."
As an historian I am forced to let out a hearty laugh, clearly she is not a student of history as all one has to do is to count two of Europe's greatest superpowers, Greece and Rome to show how distorted her statement is.

Freedom of speech is allowed in this country I would further note however that the priviledge of responsibility should be a clause added to this right. Senator Kern has demonstrated irresponsiblity and even lack of concern for the words she places in the universe. Therefore all that befalls her per result of her words should be deemed as her own cause.

Her remarks that compare Homosexuality to some disease are erroneous and should be relegated to the trash bin of history, "... this stuff is deadly and its spreading and it will destroy this nation". I have yet to see an LGBT community parade result in mob violence in an attempt to overthrow the U.S. Government! I have yet to see this community commission heinous acts of bloodshed on the innocent as I have seen those of her ilk perform, during the Spanish Inquisition, The enslavement of Afrikans, the murder of First Nations (Native Americans) and even the random slaying of Gay, Lesbian and Transexual peoples.

Mr. Mitchum to expect an apology would be similar to expecting a miracle, I am sorry but she is too far gone for such an act of kindness. She stated in that message that she would probably get into trouble for this. So certainly she recognized what she stated and is a harsh proponent of her ideaology.

No joke, Preston, you give me hope for the future. Keep up the good fight!

-Sanders

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Good job Sally! We need more people speaking out against gays and all they represent.

The decay of our society!


Jimbo

It's sad, in this day and age, that there are still people such as Rep Sally Kerns who are whispering their hatred and fears in the shadows. As you can see, she NEVER expected "others" would hear her real agenda, her real hatred and fears outloud. She thought she was "safe" in saying such evil things to this small group of people. I must say I smile when I realize that someone in that group was recording her without her knowing it. Sucks to be her.
It's pretty obvious this is a traumatized woman; generally speaking when someone says the things she did, she's been independently "harmed" by a gay issue of some kind or other. (Most likely, she loved someone who dumped her for a man... and she internalized that emotional experience to the point it ate at her soul, and voila, what's left is this hate-mongering speech and rhetoric of nonsense)
OKLAHOMANS need to do everything in their power to remove her from power, she needs to go back to being just the wife of a baptist preacher again, where hate is not only OK, but celebrated. I feel sorry for her only in that she's got to live with herself, but she's got some serious maturing to do. Let's all hope her children are as gay as possible, to help her learn what "gay looks like".

I like the sentiment but, lets be honest. This is pretty poorly written, I don’t think this is putting our best foot forward. Some sentences don’t even make sense. Just proof read before you become a martyr. I appreciate you saying what you (and I) feel but say it better.

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Not a very good point, we can still procreate, if we choose to. And unlike a lot of straight people we actually plan when we get pregnant...wait until we are able to financially support children etc..leading to few abortions, out of wedlock pregnancies etc....So you would think the right would be able to appreciate us a bit more.

Here's what happened to freedom of speech. We are free to read and write our reactions within this forum.

It is critical that Representative Kern's freedom to express her opinions be steadfastly defended.

At the core of this absurd diatribe by Representative Kern is her clear misunderstanding of human nature. Love and community are primal urges, not intellectual constructs, and certainly not to be legislated.

The outrage from the GLBT community is clearly warranted and paramount to the constructive dialogue that is growing out of Rep. Kern's words. It's great that such ignorance is being met with reasoned arguments, many having foundations in science and firm grasps on cultural history (neither of which seem to be of any interest to the Representative).

To review Rep. Kern's words, she stated that "[She] honestly think[s] it's [homosexuality] the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam, which I think is a big threat."

Where's the outrage from the Islamic community? I concede that terrorism poses a great threat to humanity. However, Islam as a method of instruction for conduct within the human community is no greater (or lesser) a threat than any other ideology. In fact, if the Representative were to study Islamic law, she will find that she has a great deal in common with Islam. At least with regard to her grossly misguided views on homosexuality.

- Matthew Orr

You know, I read through most of the comments on here and I feel like almost everyone on here said something that was meaningful and thought provoking but I didn't see many people discussing the bigger problem of Kern's speech.

The bigger issue is that she is in a position of power and her words can inspire action, both good and bad, because of her position. We all know that not everyone agrees with homosexuality. Everyone has a different reason. Kern's is obviously a religious one. And every one is right in saying that freedom of speech allows her to voice those opinions.

But you also have to think about how Kern knew she should not have been saying those things. She says it herself in the recording. Her position of being an elected official dictates certain behavior that must be maintained. Going on a hate-filled rant does not fall within those boundries.

And as for Kern's ability to perform her duties of state representative to the best of her ability...I think the speech speaks for itself and shows that her actions and decisions (the school activity disclosure bill she mentions, for example) are fueled by her religious beliefs and not what is best for EVERY citizen she is representing.

I urge everyone to sign the petition to get Kern out of her elected position.

Thanks for reading :o)