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There have been quite a few immigration posts here lately, and most of them have resulted in some heated conversations.

Immigrants and their families build, clean, feed and care for our country. But their rights are routinely violated. We need immigration reform that lives up to our values as a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws. It is time for reform that reflects our economic needs and humanitarian values.

1. Finding and deporting narly 12 million undocumented immigrants is unreasonable. In fact, CAP did a study last year that etimated the costs of a mass deportation to be atleast $206 billion over 5 years ($41.2 billion annually). That exceeds the entire homeland security budget for 2006.

2. The vast majority of undocumented immigrants come here to work hard, pay taxes, and just want a shot at improving the lives of themselves and their families.

3. Our economy depends on these workers. Some facts.

-Over the past twenty years, immigration has contributed to more than 25 percent of the nation's labor force growth. Source: American Immigration Law Foundation, Spring 2002

-Immigrant households and businesses provide more than $162 billion in direct taxes to federal, state, and local governments each year. Source: American Immigration Law Foundation, Spring 2002

-Immigrants will contribute nearly $500 billion to the Social Security system from 1998-2022 and nearly $2 trillion through 2072. Source: National Immigration Forum, 2005

-Undocumented immigrants contribute at least $300 billion to the U.S. gross national product annually. Source: "Comprehensive Migration Policy Reform in North America: The Key to Sustainable and Equitable Economic Integration," (University of California, Los Angeles), August 29, 2001

-The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that 48 percent of all job openings between 2002 and 2012 will be held by workers with a high school diploma or less education. Given that less than 13 percent of native-born adults lacked a high school diploma in 2003, compared to more than 32 percent of the foreign born, America will rely on immigrants to fill most of these jobs. Source: Immigration Policy Center, July 2005

-Each new immigrant generates a positive contribution to the country of roughly $1800. Source: American Immigration Law Foundation, Spring 2002


A historic group of business, religious, labor, and community leaders have joined together to pass comprehensive immigration reform that:

Is Comprehensive: The proposal must simultaneously deal effectively with 1) undocumented immigrants working and living in the United States; 2) the future flow of workers and close family members; 3) the need for tailored, targeted, effective enforcement of more realistic policies; and 4) support for the successful integration of newcomers in the communities where they settle.

Provides a Path to Citizenship: Opportunities should be provided for undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. to receive work permits and travel permission and access educational opportunities once they undergo background and security checks. Those who want to settle in the United States should be eligible for permanent residence and citizenship.

Protects Workers: To replace the deadly, chaotic, and illegal flow of workers to jobs, there need to be wider legal channels so needed workers can be admitted legally to fill available jobs. To avoid the exploitation and abuses of flawed guestworkers programs, the nation needs a "break-the-mold" worker visa program that adequately protects the wages and working conditions of U.S. and immigrant workers. It should also allow workers to change jobs, meaningfully enforce both the program's rules and existing labor laws, protect law-abiding employers from unscrupulous competitors, and provide a path to permanent status.

Reunites Families: Immigration reform will not succeed if public policy does not recognize one of the main factors driving migration as well as one of America's most cherished values: family unity. Restrictive laws and bureaucratic delays too often undermine this cornerstone of our legal immigration system. Those waiting in line should have their admission expedited, and those admitted on work visas should be able to keep their nuclear families intact.

Restores the Rule of Law and Enhance Security: Enforcement only works when the law is realistic and enforceable. This can best be achieved by a comprehensive overhaul that combines reform - a path to permanent status for immigrants here and wider legal channels for those coming in the future - with effective enforcement. A smart enforcement regime should include smart inspections and screening practices, fair proceedings, efficient processing, as well as strategies that crack down on criminal smugglers, get tough with lawbreaking employers, and reduce illegality. Such a system will better enable the nation to know who is already here and who is coming in the future, and bring our system into line with our tradition as a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws.

Promotes Citizenship and Civic Participation and Help Local Communities: Immigration to America works because newcomers are encouraged to become new Americans. It is time to renew our nation's commitment to the full integration of newcomers by providing adult immigrants with quality English instruction, promoting and preparing them for citizenship, and providing them with opportunities to move up the economic ladder. The system should also offer support to local communities working to welcome newcomers.


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Only a comprehensive approach as outlined above will allow hardworking, taxpaying immigrants a way to earn citizenship, stop employers from exploiting workers, improve security, and grow our economy.

I apologize that this post was so fact intensive, but I wanted to avoid the heated arguments that came from the more rhetorical arguments lately.

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works for me
By jr Mar 13th 2006 at 10:47 pm EST
Good post and good suggestions. I think Siddique linked to an article about IRCA, the reform from back in the eighties--these proposals sound largely like the parts of IRCA that worked and the parts that could have with appropriate legislative support.
  
The first step to being taken seriously...
By Superduperficial Mar 13th 2006 at 11:14 pm EST
...Is using proper language.

"Undocumented" immigrants?

I'm sorry, but that's patent bullshit.

They're illegal immigrants. You may have different opinions about what should be done with them or to them, but that doesn't change what they are. An acknowledgement that they are in this country illegally has to be a fundamental starting point for any worthwhile discussion.

The American people tend to see through this sort of silliness, and it costs us elections.


Immigrants and their families build, clean, feed and care for our country. But their rights are routinely violated. We need immigration reform that lives up to our values as a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws. It is time for reform that reflects our economic needs and humanitarian values.



You're not making any distinctions in this paragraph between legal and illegal immigration.

The law matters.


1. Finding and deporting narly 12 million undocumented immigrants is unreasonable. In fact, CAP did a study last year that etimated the costs of a mass deportation to be atleast $206 billion over 5 years ($41.2 billion annually). That exceeds the entire homeland security budget for 2006.



Whoa, that's all? I'm not in favor of a complete deportation of illegal immigrants, but I would have seriously assumed it would cost more than that. In terms of our budget, 41.2 billion annually is not overwhelming - especially if all money currently assigned to the drug war were devoted to the task.

Not saying it's desirable, just saying that your numbers aren't exactly as scary as you want them to be.


2. The vast majority of undocumented immigrants come here to work hard, pay taxes, and just want a shot at improving the lives of themselves and their families.



No dispute from me on this.


3. Our economy depends on these workers. Some facts.

-Over the past twenty years, immigration has contributed to more than 25 percent of the nation's labor force growth. Source: American Immigration Law Foundation, Spring 2002

-Immigrant households and businesses provide more than $162 billion in direct taxes to federal, state, and local governments each year. Source: American Immigration Law Foundation, Spring 2002

-Immigrants will contribute nearly $500 billion to the Social Security system from 1998-2022 and nearly $2 trillion through 2072. Source: National Immigration Forum, 2005



Meaningless, as these numbers are not discriminating between legal and illegal immigration - everyone here is in favor of legal immigration.


Oh, and your linked-to proposal is missing what any serious proposal must have: A plan to close the gaps in our incredibly porous border.
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By jr Mar 14th 2006 at 9:36 am EST
"Undocumented" immigrants?

I'm sorry, but that's patent bullshit.

They're illegal immigrants. You may have different opinions about what should be done with them or to them, but that doesn't change what they are.

You mean "what they've done," right? That's why "undocumented" is a proper term and the one we should be using--the method of entry that we're discussing isn't overstaying a visa in most cases, but jumping the border. For the purposes of the discussion of immigration policy (which this is, not the politics, but the policy--because let's be honest, the politics of immigration are dynamic, to say the least), we should be clear that we're not talking about those here unlawfully, but rather those here without documentation (usually through what is legally called "entry without inspection").
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By Superduperficial Mar 14th 2006 at 1:54 pm EST
You mean "what they've done," right? That's why "undocumented" is a proper term and the one we should be using--the method of entry that we're discussing isn't overstaying a visa in most cases, but jumping the border. For the purposes of the discussion of immigration policy (which this is, not the politics, but the policy--because let's be honest, the politics of immigration are dynamic, to say the least), we should be clear that we're not talking about those here unlawfully, but rather those here without documentation (usually through what is legally called "entry without inspection").



If you've jumped the border, you are here illegally. Any serious policy discussion must refer to illegal immigrants without mincing words.
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By jr Mar 14th 2006 at 4:37 pm EST
Accurate terminology isn't mincing words. It's being as clear and direct as possible. In fact, NOT using accurate terminology would be mincing words, not to get too idiomatic.
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By RaoulDelano Mar 14th 2006 at 2:10 pm EST
Yes but overstaying a visa is illegal as well. Doesn't matter which immigration law you break - an illegal act is an illegal act. Immigration reform need to addres both border crossings and visa abuse.
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By jr Mar 14th 2006 at 4:34 pm EST
Both need to be addressed, but they are distinct issues and need to be addressed as such. The tactics used to shore up our border security will have to be fundamentally different than those used to monitor aliens here on visas (and I don't mean to imply that overstays are the only visa violations that occur, either--students get jobs, for example, while still within the length of their visa permit, but don't always know to transfer their visa types). In terms of a policy discussion, accuracy of terminology is important. The laws in question are not equivalent--it would be like trying to cut down on red light runners by putting in more speed traps. It could all be called driving law enforcement, but that's a term that's too broad for accurate analysis. Your point is taken, however.
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By mmrowka Mar 14th 2006 at 11:41 am EST
Yes, they are here illegally. Because our current laws do not match our giant demand for these workers. Report to deport policies will solve nothing.

Sens. Kennedy and McCain introduced the Secure America Act, which would require undocumented workers to come forward, pay fines, pay back taxes, wait in line, study English, and pass security screenings in order to earn permanent residence and a path to citizenship. It is unrealistic to expect these people to come forward if we are going to send them back to their country.

You are incorrect about the American people. The vast majority of Americans know that our immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed. And they see through the political rhetoric of deporting nearly 12 million people. They know these people do some of the hardest jobs in our country, and we need bi-partisan, sensible, legislation that both makes our country safer and allows hardworking, taxpaying immigrants an opportunity to become Americans.

And those numbers are not meaningless. You are not in favor of legal immigration if you think that nothing is wrong with our current system, and you simply want to deport these people. Those numbers show the contributions immigrants make, regardless of their status. Even undocumented immigrants contribute in taxes and ss funds. It shows that we need to do more to create an immigration system that honors our heritage as a nation built on immigrants and permit these people to come here legally. And it shows that immigrants are not a drain, but rather a benefit to our society.
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By mmrowka Mar 14th 2006 at 11:50 am EST
One other thing. You mentioned our porous border. Well much of that will be patched up when we have an immigration system that meets our economic needs, when we clear the backlogs, when we allow family reunification. Most of these immigrants would come here legally if there were adequate legal channels.

When we provide these adequate channels, then our law enforcement ofifcials can more easily target those entering our nation to do us harm.

It isn't one or the other. To be successful we need comprehensive reform that protects our borders while at the same time providing adequate legal channels to come here.
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By Superduperficial Mar 14th 2006 at 1:56 pm EST
All of which is completely dodging the point - you're conflating the acknowledgement that we are talking about illegal immigrants with the talk that they all be deported.

The two are separate and distinct topics. I'm not suggesting that they all be deported; you keep bringing that up as a strawman. A further indicator that you're not willing to have a serious discussion on the matter.
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By mmrowka Mar 14th 2006 at 2:05 pm EST
Well since you were not offering any ideas I just assumed you wanted to deport them all.

They are not separate topics though. We need to tackle this issue on all sides. Looking at one problem instead the entire system creates the problems that have gotten us to where we are today.

I would like to know what you suggest.

You can't say I don't want to have a serious discussion. I've laid out what I believe will work. You are just focusing on one part without offering your vision for real reform
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By Superduperficial Mar 14th 2006 at 8:18 pm EST
Well since you were not offering any ideas I just assumed you wanted to deport them all.



Since you think deporting them all is a stupid idea, why would you impute a stupid idea on anyone who takes issue with you, when all you know about them is that they disagree with something you said?

That's a bit sloppy, wouldn't you say?


They are not separate topics though. We need to tackle this issue on all sides. Looking at one problem instead the entire system creates the problems that have gotten us to where we are today.



Waiiiiitasecond.

The topic of referring to illegal immigrants as "illegal", which they are, and the radical 'solution' of spending a huge amount of our sweat and treasure to deport every last one of them, are not separate topics?

WTF?

No wonder you and JR can't even retreat to the neutral language of referring to "illegal immigration". Apparently, doing so will unleash some sort of Twilight Of The Gods that would mean the most radical position possible on the issue de facto wins the debate.

Consider me more than a little puzzled?


I would like to know what you suggest.

You can't say I don't want to have a serious discussion. I've laid out what I believe will work. You are just focusing on one part without offering your vision for real reform



My suggestion is first that we need to be on the same page in terms of language - retreating from the softpedalling of language that's designed to score political points - in order to have a real policy debate.

"Illegal immigrant" is a nice term because it's neutral and accurate. That is the salient fact about this group: that they're here illegally. If the salient fact was that they were 'undocumented', we could just militarize the border with Cenus-Takers and Document every last one of them, thus solving the illegal immigration problem.

"Undocumented immigrant" is clearly a lame attempt to define the debate in softer terms that are more favorable to the advocates for illegal immigrants. Whatever the merits of their position, in the American debate it's not fooling anybody.

I meet normal people of all political stripes, day in and day out. Nobody uses the phrase "undocumented immigration" to describe the problem.

From there, once the terms are defined, we would move on to what the ultimate aims of our comprehensive immigration policy would ultimately be.

Once we've agreed on both the foundations and the aims, then we can talk policy.
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By jr Mar 15th 2006 at 12:37 am EST
Why are you so hell-bent on using imprecise and loaded language, and why have you been so desperate lately to show that precise language is meaningless to you? You want to talk about "a bit sloppy"?

It's neither neutral nor acurate. It's loaded shorthand, and many find it dehumanizing in addition.

As to whether or not anyone uses is, run the term "undocumented immigrants" through Google News. You won't get as many hits as "illegal immigration", but you'll get hits from sources that value precision and accuracy, such as the Chicago Trib and the WaPo.

Here's an explanation from Joseph Nevins, professor at Vassar and guest writer for The Nation, in his book Operation Gatekeeper: The Rise of the Illegal Alien and the Making of the U.S.-Mexico Boundary:



Finally, I need to clarify the terms I use to describe immigrants who reside in the United States without the sanction of federal authorities, terms that have long been highly politically charged and controversial. Many terms employed historically by those opposed to such immigrants—terms such as “wetbacks” and “illegal aliens”—tend to obfuscate the role that various agents and institutions in the United States have played in encouraging and/or facilitating unauthorized immigration. Furthermore, such terms are often pejorative due to the images of the immigrant they suggest and the ideas of the undesirable “other” they embody. The frequently used term “illegal,” for example, implies that unsanctioned immigrants are criminals. Therefore, I enclose the term “illegal” in quotation marks whenever I employ it to describe immigrants who enter or are present in the United States without authorization of the federal government. I prefer to use less politically charged terms such as unauthorized and extralegal to describe unsanctioned immigrants or immigration.


In other words, it's neither neutral nor accurate.
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By mmrowka Mar 15th 2006 at 10:36 am EST
thanks jr
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By RaoulDelano Mar 15th 2006 at 1:33 pm EST
I don't think citing a writer for The Nation establishes much in the way of neutrality either.

Illegal, unauthorized, extralegal - it's all the same thing. We don't put up with all this semantic BS when talking about breaking any other area of the law. Why should we here?

If calling illegals illegals hurts their feelings and makes them feel like criminals, big effin deal. They'll get over it. In fact, I bet they are over it. It probably offends the liberal commentariat far more than the illegals themselves, which makes me care even less.
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By jr Mar 15th 2006 at 4:23 pm EST
It doesn't have to cite much in the way of neutrality--it has to show that the word is not neutral, and it does. That citation is from a scholarly text, not a column. That's how people who handle policy analysis view the language. Since we're discussing the policy issues, we should use the appropriate terminology.

And we do actually put a high value on semantics when discussing civil and criminal law--are speeders and murderers both "illegal Americans"? If you get a DUI, is that the same as a getting a ticket for failing to come to a complete stop at a stop sign?


It probably offends the liberal commentariat far more than the illegals themselves, which makes me care even less.

The issue is ACCURACY more than offense, as I said above. The term lacks accuracy--again, see above.
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By mmrowka Mar 15th 2006 at 10:35 am EST
Because you had mentioned it previously.

I am honestly curious what your solution is.

Lets get over this language debate and talk about the real issue and the real solution.

What do you want to do with the 12 million people who are presently in this country, working hard and paying taxes? How do you want to control immigration in the future? Do you support an earned path to citizenship?

I feel all you would like to do is argue with what I write without offering your own perspective.

I'm listening.
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By ToddHill Mar 15th 2006 at 3:23 pm EST
AMEN! That always tends to be what Joe does, pick out a word or two in your writing and focus on that while not focusing on the issue at hand. I never see solutions, just language "suggestions."

Lets here your solutions, Joe.

TMH
Re: The first step to being taken seriously...
By Superduperficial Mar 18th 2006 at 4:25 am EST
No. No suggestions whatsoever unless the term illegal immigrant is used.

We can't talk substance until the language is nailed down. Period. You can't have a serious discussion with someone who isn't willing to be honest from the get-go.

If there are some people who are here legally? Good for them, then - we won't be talking about them.

My solutions would pertain entirely to those who are in this country illegally, and to no one else.

Legal immigration? Certainly an important topic of discussion, but not what I'm interested in here.
  
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