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Ivy Admissions: Same As It Ever Was
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Today's American Prospect has a great piece deflating the recent glut of upper-middle class scare pieces on increasing selectivity in elite college admissions. Author Kevin Carey's point is that "[t]he declining odds of getting into an elite college are mostly a statistical mirage, caused by confusion between college applicants and college applications."

A little statistic data sheds a lot of light on the situation. Carey notes that, while the number of high school graduates have jumped by 8% in the past four years, so has the number of acceptance letters mailed out by "elite" colleges and universities. When discussing the ratio of acceptances to applications however, Carey's example is slightly less solid.
"Imagine 20 students, each of whom applies to five schools and gets into two. Now imagine if the same students each applied to ten schools and got into two. The outcome for the students is the same: two acceptance letters. But the schools report lower admission rates, and the odds of admission seem worse."


Though this an intentionally vague hypothetical, I think its a bit of an oversimplification. There is something tangibly different about only getting accepted to 20% of the schools one applies to versus 40%. Taking into account the relative differences in selectivity between colleges, in this new era of common-app fueled applications to 15 schools by each kid, who's to say which two colleges the kids get into. Perhaps a student who may have gotten into, lets say, John Hopkins University has now lost that slot to a student who was also accepted at Harvard, and has no intention of attending the former.

The number of Ivy acceptance letters mailed out has actually grown faster than the high school graduate population, however, and in the meantime, underqualified students are "treating the Harvard application like a Powerball ticket. An Ivy League education can be worth millions of dollars over a lifetime. To take a shot at one, all you need is $65.00 and a dream."

So really, things probably aren't getting much harder. Meanwhile, the publications marketing the annual panic piece to upper-middle class parents, the reputation-obsessed Ivy schools, and the cottage industry based around admissions seem to all be doing just fine.

 

Cross-posted at The Little Green Blog 


Reader Comments
  
Heh.
By Superduperficial Apr 23rd 2007 at 7:49 pm EDT (Updated Apr 23rd 2007 at 7:52 pm EDT)
In all the stories about the Gold Rush, my favorite people are the ones who trucked out to California not to mine for gold, but to sell tools and supplies to the miners at ridiculous prices.

From miners, to minors...

The current state of college admissions isn't nearly as harrowing and frenetic as the annual glut of articles make it out to be. I agree - this is scare-marketing at its finest, playing off of people's dreams and fears but not at all rooted in real experience.

Hell, I've heard the UC system described as 'incredibly selective' these days, of all places. The UC system!!! Christ -- I went to a public school with normal kids, and everyone I know who gave a damn at all about school got into the UCs, not to mention quite a few who didn't. UC Berkeley and UCLA are a bit selective, but not very. (I'll be the first to admit that my university is in the same boat here.)

I have a friend at UCLA right now who, on the eve of our AP Government final exam, asked me, "So, the Democrats and Republicans - which one is the liberal party, and which one's conservative?" She's not atypical.

If anything, looking around me, it seems like college admissions aren't nearly selective enough these days.
  
degree of difficulty
By In the know Apr 23rd 2007 at 8:54 pm EDT
Well if you think average freshman GPA of 4.2+ and average SATM 680 SATV 650 is not that Selective. That includes recruited athletes, most who pull down the curve. These are Berkeley's and UCLA numbers. It much harder to get into good schools then in my days in the late 80's.
Re: degree of difficulty
By Superduperficial Apr 24th 2007 at 12:51 am EDT (Updated Apr 24th 2007 at 12:53 am EDT)
A combined average SAT of 1330 out of 1600 is, indeed, "not that selective". (One thing to keep in mind is that the difficulty of the SAT test has fundamentally changed since when you took it, so the numbers mean different things -- for instance, MENSA won't take SAT scores as proof for admission anymore.)

I mean, hell, that means half of all their new admits are scoring *lower* than a 1330, doesn't it? I actually would have expected it to be higher when I made the original statement.

Average freshman GPA of 4.2 doesn't mean much due to the huge GPA inflation brought on by AP coursework in the public schools. All that really amounts to is "take some AP classes and get mostly A's". The difficulty level of the average AP curriculum these days is a joke (the tests themselves are a bit better) to boot. And again, fully half of all incoming freshmen have *lower* than a 4.2.
  
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