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$4.2 million in one day, not too shabby.

Analysts say Ron Paul's traditionally conservative constitutionalism and his "Out- of-Iraq" foreign policy give him broad support.

Could Ron Paul be the first legitimate dark-horse candidate in modern history?


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By janeg Nov 6th 2007 at 1:13 pm EST
Ron Paul is a free trader who oppsoes giving up any US sovereignty to international organizations (he is not a "fair" trader).
He wants free market health care reform.
He wants the federal government to scale back the scope of its involvement in our lives, including our economy.
Re: ron paul
By Superduperficial Nov 6th 2007 at 2:28 pm EST (Updated Nov 6th 2007 at 2:29 pm EST)
No, he doesn't.

Do you actually know anything about Ron Paul?

He thinks the constitution was "divinely inspired". (Aside from being patent bullshit, this would mean that slavery, and the treatment of African-Americans as 3/5ths of human beings, was divinely inspired.)

He thinks that our rights are given to us by God, rather than the product of man's rational behavior.

He's a religious fundamentalist fanatic who supports a totalitarian ideology, even if some of his program goals are toward limited government.

He wants the federal government to take away female autonomy over their own bodies, and grant federal rights to any fetuses that might reside within them.

He's an authoritarian at heart. He just wants to devolve the authoritarianism in many cases down to a more personal level.
Re: ron paul
By janeg Nov 6th 2007 at 3:10 pm EST
"He's a religious fundamentalist fanatic who supports a totalitarian ideology, even if some of his program goals are toward limited government."

Show me where to find this stuff. Certainly not from Lew Rockwell.
I am aware that he is "pro-life" but does he support, say, a constitutional amendment against abortion? Or is it his position that this is not a federal issue?
In what other ways does he manifest his religious totalitarianism?
Re: ron paul
By Superduperficial Nov 6th 2007 at 7:28 pm EST
Ron Paul in his own words: Link

He believes the constitution is divinely inspired, that life begins at conception and that the unborn are owed full moral personhood, and that we derive our rights from God rather than from man.
Re: ron paul
By JR Nov 6th 2007 at 3:15 pm EST
Don't forget racist. Link
Re: ron paul
By Matt Szewczyk Nov 6th 2007 at 4:38 pm EST
"He's a religious fundamentalist fanatic who supports a totalitarian ideology, even if some of his program goals are toward limited government.

He wants the federal government to take away female autonomy over their own bodies, and grant federal rights to any fetuses that might reside within them."

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I think these claims are fairly unfounded and challenge you to show some evidence which would illustrate the contrary.

ON ABORTION: My understanding is that Paul believes that "we ought to return the issue to the states so that local opinions could better determine the specific regulations concerning this deeply personal issue" (The Prospect)

Your totalitarian claim is pretty ridiculous and hard to respond to, but I'm pretty sure the "divinely inspired" constitution is hyperbole.
Re: ron paul
By JR Nov 6th 2007 at 6:22 pm EST
"I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.

I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore those rights for all Americans, born and unborn alike. The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

...

I am running for president to restore the rule of law and to stand up for our divinely inspired Constitution."

Link

It may be rhetoric, but he certainly seems to believe it.
Re: ron paul
By JR Nov 6th 2007 at 6:28 pm EST
""I think these claims are fairly unfounded and challenge you to show some evidence which would illustrate the contrary.""

Well, the claim about the federal government taking away female autonomy is pretty well-established, since he, as he says, "would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn."

As to granting federal rights to fetuses, that seems to be one where Joe is incorrect. Paul voted against HR 503 and the Unborn Victims of Violence Act (HR 1997) Link
Re: ron paul
By Superduperficial Nov 6th 2007 at 7:32 pm EST
I was going based on the same document JR is apparently drawing from (Ron Paul's Statement of Faith), but I read it differently than he does.

I focus on this part:

""I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore those rights for all Americans, born and unborn alike. The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty.""

If the right of an innocent, unborn child to life is truly at the heart of the American ideal of liberty, and these *rights* are given to us by God, rather than rationalized by man, how could he NOT act to imbue person-hood upon fetuses?

It'd be a complete internal inconsistency. If this is a fundamental, god-given right, it's not within the sphere that libertarians prefer to entrust to federalism.
Re: ron paul
By JR Nov 6th 2007 at 7:48 pm EST
Intellectually inconsistent or not, I'm just pointing out his voting record doesn't support the charge concerning fetal recognition.
Re: ron paul
By janeg Nov 7th 2007 at 6:45 am EST
Actually I found that he did sponsor federal legislation to define life as beginning at conception.
That pretty much ought to negate any anti-war support he gets from progressives.

"In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, HR 1094."
Re: ron paul
By JR Nov 7th 2007 at 2:45 pm EST
Fair enough--I sit corrected.

Really, though, the whole John Birch Society/flaming racist thing should be enough to keep progressives from going anywhere near the guy.
Neo-Nazi Support for Ron Paul
By michael.098762001 Nov 8th 2007 at 3:05 pm EST
Neo-Nazi Support for Ron Paul
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