We're working on preparing the tape of the whole session at which Fat Joe spoke, but for now I doubt that Korin from the Post is right when she says, "It might be confusing because Joe repeated himself several times on the 'bitches and hos' comments, but we did get the quotes right. If you watch the video feed, you can check it out for yourself. In fact, the blog on the Campus Progress site quotes Joe from a different moment."
This is what the Post says:
"Y'all might as well throw spears at me now," he said. "Y'all are going to throw me out, but I think they're bitches and hos." Awkward silence.
"But I also think they're intelligent, beautiful mothers," he added, noting how men can be dogs as well.
This is what Fat Joe says in the video clip posted on our site:
"Y'all might as well just throw spears at me now. Know what I'm sayin'? There's about a million rappers on this earth; y'all want to give it me. It's alright. I feel like, you know, I mean y'all are going to throw me out of this joint, but I think some girls are bitches, some girls are hos. I feel like there's some intelligent women, some beautiful mothers and sisters and whatever the case may be. Just like there are some ignorant guys, and there's some great guys; there's great fathers and there's some not so great mothers." (After some more discussion, he concluded, "So we talk about everything… " and he went on to cite the diversity of messages in hip-hop, citing in particular Lauren Hill as an example of an artist with positive messages.)
So unless Joe said almost he exact same thing twice, or unless the Post rearranged his remarks out of chronology -- and we'll check the tape and have an answer for you by Monday -- then it was not a different moment.
It's not a huge deal, folks, and I agree with other commenters that it would be better not to refer to women as "bitches and hos," but we want to strive for fairness and accuracy here -- and especially to be fair to our speaker, who gave his time to come talk with us.
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What Fat Joe actually said at our conference -- watch it
Julie Siegel's new piece not only exposes the misadventures of a right wing guy named Jason Mattera, it also lets you know that Mattera repeated the Washington Post's misquote of rapper Fat Joe at our July 12 Campus Progress National Student Conference. No doubt right-wingers like Mattera will want to keep on pushing out the misquote reported in the Post, so we want to get the facts on the record. Fat Joe was asked at a conference panel discussion about the representation of women in hip-hop. According to The Post, Fat Joe replied, "Y'all are going to throw me out, but I think they're bitches and hos." What Fat Joe actually said, though, was this: "I think some girls are bitches, some girls are hos. I feel like there's some intelligent women, some beautiful mothers and sisters and whatever the case may be. Just like there are some ignorant guys, and there's some great guys; there's great fathers and there's some not so great mothers…. So we talk about everything…. " You can watch the video here. (FYI, at the beginning he's talking about Oprah.)
Jason Mattera, the guy who won't let our 18-year-old college reporter Julie Siegel cover his student conference, even though we grant him and his interns access to our student conference, has decided to call Fat Joe "a wannabe thug and binge eater." The truth is (1) I watched Fat Joe calmly eat a grilled chicken salad for lunch in our speakers room, there was no binge, and it's rude to make fun of someone's weight; and (2) Fat Joe came to the conference for the same reason he has been heavily involved in voter registration work, including with our friends Voto Latino, and other activism: Because, like the 1000 students who attended our conference, he cares about the future of our country, and he wants to work for positive change.
In Fat Joe's honor, and Paul Begala's, maybe it's time for another Campus Progress misquote contest. Meanwhile, we'll keep telling the truth, we'll keep opening our events to any media, regardless of ideology, and we'll keep offering a diverse group of speakers at our events.
Please remember that Campus Progress' terms of use do not allow promoting or endorsing any particular political party or candidate for office. Posts or comments that do this will be deleted.
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This is what the Post says:
"Y'all might as well throw spears at me now," he said. "Y'all are going to throw me out, but I think they're bitches and hos." Awkward silence.
"But I also think they're intelligent, beautiful mothers," he added, noting how men can be dogs as well.
This is what Fat Joe says in the video clip posted on our site:
"Y'all might as well just throw spears at me now. Know what I'm sayin'? There's about a million rappers on this earth; y'all want to give it me. It's alright. I feel like, you know, I mean y'all are going to throw me out of this joint, but I think some girls are bitches, some girls are hos. I feel like there's some intelligent women, some beautiful mothers and sisters and whatever the case may be. Just like there are some ignorant guys, and there's some great guys; there's great fathers and there's some not so great mothers." (After some more discussion, he concluded, "So we talk about everything… " and he went on to cite the diversity of messages in hip-hop, citing in particular Lauren Hill as an example of an artist with positive messages.)
So unless Joe said almost he exact same thing twice, or unless the Post rearranged his remarks out of chronology -- and we'll check the tape and have an answer for you by Monday -- then it was not a different moment.
It's not a huge deal, folks, and I agree with other commenters that it would be better not to refer to women as "bitches and hos," but we want to strive for fairness and accuracy here -- and especially to be fair to our speaker, who gave his time to come talk with us.